Chuck Geshlider = Destroy, Destruction, Disruption

Three terms fit Chuck Geshlider (aka Louis Charles well): Destroy. Destruction. Disruption.


Why would any of you want to ally with Paul Bern and why would Chuck Geshlider ask you to or present him as someone who shares your views?

Paul has a bit of road to travel before he understands that government is not the solution, that private people and private associations formed by them are the best solution for over 90% to 99% of our needs/issues. I believe Paul Bern will end up there, he is not after power, he truly is after justice.

Why would I be willing to work with Mr. Bern?

First, within The Upadarian Society the focus is first on fellowships, Paul Bern is a good Christian man who seems like he would thrive in and be an asset to any Christian fellowship

Second, I believe Mr Bern’s heart is in the place, his head is in the wrong place, and I was forthright with him about the fact that his concern for Social Assurance can better be dealt with through private Societies, not governments.

Again the issue is not Paul Bern, Paul seems like a good guy, even if he still thinks he can use the state, ANY state, to solve private issues. In time, when Chuck is done using Paul he will turn on him also, as this is his M.O.


The point is that Chuck’s lame defense that all he is doing is limiting his group to non-GOP and non-Dem solutions is false.

The standard should be an agreed upon pledge for freedom, not the approach one wishes to take to achieve it.

Chuck attacks LP and Constitution efforts, he refuses to even countenance those who think they can work within major parties, and he attacks efforts that are near to inception with nonsensical conflict, over and over again.

His sudden and overwhelming embrace of a man who belongs to such a movement as described above within his LD USA Group is clear evidence that his motives have not one thing to do with “liberty” and everything to do with the fact that he thrives on conflict and wants to be in control, which is evidenced by his efforts to divide me from long time friends and my own brother.

His attacks against Joey Dauben started long before the “money issue” he harps on and I ignored his wild accusations that Joey was a “plant” which started almost on the first day that I started to talking to Chuck, as just ramblings because maybe he was just pissed that day.

Clearly, he wanted to keep everyone off guard, create an environment of mistrust, and paint himself to all sides as the only person who could be trusted.

Why push this so staunchly?

Chuck has succeeded in getting different causes and projects national attention, which is impressive. His ability to do damage and his ability to do good are great. In the end, he must either be exposed and isolated from the “movement” or he must be rehabilitated and supported as one of its greatest assets.

Within LD USA I beleive we are close to actually getting a nice coalition of people together to finally create a shared Liberty District as a “safe haven” and pilot project, but let us consider how Chuck has divided us:

1. He attacks Joey Dauben as being gay, a criminal, and etc. This young man is not perfect, but Chuck refuses to work with him, to help him, or even to bring direction in a loving and graceful manner rather than seizing on a fault and condemning the man, JOEY lives in Ellis County, is a well known reporter, and CAN be a great asset.

2. Bobby Copeland is the head of the Ellis County Young Republicans and very open to the cause of freedom, but Chuck’s nonsensical refusal to work with “GOP’ers” means he is out

3. Dean and John were willing to support this project, not by going but in other ways, and to create a project of their own, but they are “Neocons”

4. I myself have spent money, time, and effort, went to Texas twice, once with my brother Paul, who spent over $500 to help us and another $500 sending us air soft guns to help raise money, but now, according to Chuck, the Upadarian Society “should not come to Texas”

5. Consider the way he escalated things with Maggie, Chris, et al, and some of us, me included,w ere drawn into that nonsense?

SO far Chuck has succeeded, in his supposed “neutrality”, in removing at least 8 people from the list of potential supporters of a “first liberty district” project.

Who is left?

Gned, perhaps, who may or may not want to associate with Chuck’s tactics.
Paul Bern, who is still enamored of socialistic ideas…
Nick Landholt, who wants to build a “catholic liberty district” in which non-catholics cannot spread their “heresy” in public

Am I missing anybody?

There are some “newcomers” in his group who seem excited, but go through the message archives and watch the pattern emerge: first he seems to like them and is enthused, then when they fail to do X or Y or Z he starts to attack them and, finally, they either go away or go silent: another case of people seeking freedom being discouraged by Chuck.

If we could gather all the people Chuck has labeled criminals, infiltrators, idiots, fagots, or whatever in one room and if each of them committed to 8 hours of work per week and $20 per month we would probably have a Liberty District with possible hundreds of members and thousands of dollars as its operating budget! With Chuck’s inherent abilities, he would be the natural person to choose as the one full time guy to lead it.

Instead, Chuck focuses on nonsense, causes division, and continues to destroy the work of his own hands.

Chuck harps on Joey owing him $800, but has he ever answered for the hundreds f thousands of dollars that wre raised for the Atlantis Project and which remain un-acounted for? I doubt Chuck did anything unethical or criminal there, but the fact is he expects to be given the benefit of the doubt by others without giving it.

The money “owed” was collected for menu ads, Chuck was received $500 of it, but Chuck did not design any save perhaps one ad and still refuses to provide the inside of the menu which he did design so that it can be printed: Joey has made arrangements to get this designed and printed. Chuck wants ALL this money, but what he done to gain it? I have helped on this without one red cent of pay, should i send Chuck a bill? NO, I agreed to help.

My point is that Chuck is not telling the whole story, he is leaving out the purpose for the money, the fact that he has received $500, and the fact that when all is said and done his “participation” in this project has been next to nothing, especially since he chose not to send the inside of the menu in an effort to force Joey to pay him.

Joey was wrong, and needed to and need to be humble about that and do his level best to right things, but Chuck showed the grace of an alligator and cannot on one hand demand this money and then end up contributing not much at all to the project.

I suggest that we convene a group and investigate Chuck thoroughly then decide what is to be done about him: can he be rehabilitated, if so how, or must we embargo him totally?

Additionally, I plan on moving forward with my original intention, to help create the first “safe haven”, although the term “Liberty District” is out since it is too associated with Chuck and his ways. Paul, my brother, has suggested the term “Sovereignty Union”, which I think is excellent….

Finally, the question is this- 80 or 180? Is Chuck a guy with an 80 IQ who is simply behaving badly or is he a genius “plant” with a 180 IQ sent to divide us and sabotage us?

We have been divided against one another by him for too long!

Bill Collier
upadaria@yahoo.com

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2 Responses to “Chuck Geshlider = Destroy, Destruction, Disruption”

  1. HIS CHRISTIANWIFE Says:

    In regards to Paul Berning’s comment or experience I have also experienced some of the same characteristics that were shown by Chuck. I don’t find EVERYTHING to be factual that Paul wrote. But he was misled in many ways as I was. He claimed he only had approx $200 mad money….. $200 was all he had! Ok… so I wasn’t looking for money!!!!! I was looking for the things money can not buy!
    I am sure in time…. he will find this column. But yes, nearly everyone I know family, friends and people in the areas he has been staying and staying with are feeling pity. I don’t need a pity party! GOD knows this situation. No need to doubt. If this wasn’t so public I would put ALL my personal info on the line. It has been a long and trying five plus years! It is VERY upsetting to find everything that the internet ( yahoo and google search ) have to say about him and his very lengthly past!) I have NOT allowed him to use me financially. I have however, worked by his side to earn 1/2 of his keep. And he has rented rooms for us from my children at a very ridiculously amount. He left here the first of October and was expected to return the end of October. I believe he said he was going for two… no longer than three weeks. BUT even though I am in touch with him on a daily basis I have yet to hear what caused the man he left with to dump him in Florida. You folks are very correct. He has NOTHING…… just me! NO FAMILY or friends that will have anything to do with him. No home, NO MONEY, no assets, NO Drivers license, NO legal identification.NO future social security… the list goes on! Ive been told he is seeing someone in the Sunny Hills area on the weekends. I am assuming she is coming from Panama City or somewhere she works & lives a distance from him. This is ALL rumor, at yet to be proven. I do not believe a relationship will last for him anyways~ No more than I expect the Christian School, Christian Hospital, Meal delivery business, Church Community including a farm with a set up amount of $250,000 to happen. But yet I AM a CHRISTIAN allowing Christ to grow and expose this man. I took my vows serious in Jan of 2009. For better for worse,,,, for richer or POORER… in SICKNESS and in health….forsaking ALL others… til death us do part! Only GOD knows what lies ahead?! But if his past repeats itself he will be seeking someone to come and YES, RESCUE HIM! He has been police escorted out of many of the places he has resided. I have been told he has committed a very serious crime in his past… perhaps as serious as murder????? I do NOT like to believe it but it has yet to be proven.

  2. Just another acquaitance! Says:

    My name is Paul Berning, and I wish to comment on my recent “experience” with Charles “Chuck” Geshlider. I met Chuck, or “Louis Charles” on line when I became interested in the idea of Liberty Districts. Mr. Geshlider has a discussion group on Yahoo called “Liberty Districts USA”. I am already a member of another discussion group about Liberty Districts, and I found his group while doing an Internet search on this subject.
    After exchanging numerous e-mails and talking to him on the phone from Atlanta, GA where I have been living for 25 years, he invited me to come out to West Texas to work with him in the formation of a liberty district out there. At the time I was completely unaware of his being escorted out of Ellis County over a year earlier. He stated that he had several new employees coming on board, and that he also needed to set up a web site, which he claimed that he did not know how to do. I only recently found out that he already has a web site, a fact that he carefully hid from me. So, I negotiated a starting salary via e-mail to become his webmaster, IT director (I have been a computer/IT professional since the late 1980′s) and his assistant marketing director. He said he also needed me to do some custom ad layouts for him using Adobe Illustrator. My starting salary was to be $500.00 a week, which I would like to point out is a very low salary for an IT director (A similar position in the Atlanta job market would pay at least $1,000.00 per week). But I was very interested in the liberty districts concept and am a written contributor in the “patriot movement” and the “secession movement” due to being very much disillusioned with the state of the USA and its tattered economy. Reasoning that I had an opportunity to make a real difference in the American political landscape, I agreed to relocate from Atlanta to go to work for this man. I asked about bringing my computer, an Intel server, with me to use on the job. Chuck said he already had a computer that I could use. He also said I could have the use of a vehicle, a 1995 Toyota 4-Runner. Chuck told me that this vehicle needed a clutch, but that if I agreed to fix the Toyota at my expense, plus buy insurance and tags, that I could have the title. Before leaving Atlanta, I had been living down in town and did not own a car, using public transportation to get around. So, the idea of getting a company car, even if it was a used car, was very appealing. He also said I could have a place to stay rent-free to help me get re-established in Odessa/Midland. Although I had everything in writing, and had printed his e-mails to keep for myself as proof of our “agreement”, I had no idea of what I was in for or how badly I was being decieved.
    When I arrived, he showed up with a lady who lived several miles from him, and he was riding in her Dodge truck. On the way to his residence, he said he needed to stop at the grocery store, so I went in with him to pick up a few supplies of my own. When Chuck and I got to the cash register, he insisted that I pay for both of our grocery bills. When I balked at the idea, he made a big scene to the point where I felt like everyone in the whole store was staring at the two of us. To save myself any further embarassment, I went ahead and paid for both sets of groceries. That was just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
    When we got to his residence, I was appalled. He was living in a plywood shack built on a concrete slab measuring about 24′x48′. Even the siding on the outside was made out of particle board. It was about 21 miles outside of Odessa, Texas in the middle of the desert. The roof leaked, and the drywall had become soft and moist. There was black mold growing on the walls. It was thoroughly ridiculous, not to mention being a serious health hazard. In another time and place, this could have been funny to a third party observer, but to me this wasn’t funny at all. I knew right then and there that I was in serious trouble. I wanted to leave, but it would have taken over half of my remaining meager finances to turn around and go back to Atlanta because I had been unemployed for about a month before taking my “new job” with Chuck Geshlider. So, I resolved to try to make the best out of a bad situation. Instead, things got much worse very soon after.
    It turned out that Chuck had no bank account, or at least that’s what he told me. The computer that he “gave” me to use turned out to be an old Gateway e-machine with insufficient RAM memory or hard disk space to run the Adobe Illustrator program that I was supposed to be working with in order to be his “assistant marketing director” and his “webmaster”. As for being his “IT Director”, the employees whose network I was supposed to be setting up turned out to be nonexistent. My “company car” wasn’t a 1995 Toyota, it was a 1985 model with well over 200,000 miles on it and it had a flat tire. Instead of having a burned-out clutch, the entire assembly was missing from the vehicle, and it had expired New Hampshire tags on it. Chuck has a 1985 Chevy pickup with expired Nevada tags on it. He has no insurance and an expired driver’s license. There is only one way that Chuck would have vehicles he refuses to register, and a driver’s license that he refuses to renew. He has got to be wanted by the police in some jurisdiction somewhere. You get my point.
    So, for the next three and a half weeks I was stuck in the middle of the desert with Chuck. When we ran out of food, it was either ride into town with his reluctant neighbor to buy more food, or starve. Had I not had a little extra money saved back in Atlanta and a debit card, starve is exactly what we both would have done. Living there with Chuck under those conditions was like a jail sentence for a crime I had not committed. I am a non-religious born-again Christian with no denomininational affiliation (I’m rather disenchanted with organized religion, but that’s another topic). So, you can best believe that I started praying like there was no tomorrow for a way out of my situation. By the time three weeks had expired, things between me and Chuck had deteriorated a great deal. By the end of my time there, there was an extreme sense of urgency because I felt like I was in imminent danger. Chuck had become increasingly irrational, paranoid, and delusional. At one point, he challenged me to a fistfight, stating that if I lost I would be stuck there forever. I walked right up to him and said, “I won’t fight you Chuck. It’s not what Christ would do.” He seemed dumbfounded by my response and could not answer me, but I knew that if I had fought him and won, he would have called the cops on me and had me charged with assault, and I wouldn’t take the bait. That made him even more angry, so next day he got a shotgun out from behind the couch he sleeps on and said, “I can shoot you in your sleep anytime I want”. He also made other threatening statements such as “You’re all mine, so don’t try and leave”, and “I own you, so you’re stuck here”.
    At the beginning of the 4th week, my prayers were answered. A local preacher, Joel Madden with New Life Ministries of Odessa, came by, apparently at Chuck’s invitation. I took him aside and quickly explained the situation to him. I then asked him to take me out of there, which he did. From there, I was able to work a series of unskilled temporary jobs, and also act as a fill-in at a local church whose piano player had broken her arm. Between the money I saved from these short-term jobs, as well as a few hundred dollars I received from the church for my God-given musical abilities, I was able to save enough money to make my way back to Atlanta. I have learned a hard lesson from this experience, but I have learned it well.
    Chuck Geshlider is indeed an extremely dangerous person. He is a wildly unbalanced psychopath, paranoid beyond all reason, and a pathological liar. He also has apparently violent tendencies, which I nearly learned about the hard way. I am grateful that there are some good people in West Texas who could see that I was in a very dangerous situation and saw fit to help me get out of it. I have since filed a claim with the Texas Workforce Commission for back wages, plus my relocation expenses from Atlanta to Texas. The Texas Workforce Commission has given Chuck until November 9th, 2008 to pay my claim of $2,790.00. If he doesn’t pay it, and I doubt that he will, they will put a lien on his 45 acres outside of Odessa until he does, and with interest accruing daily. I haven’t spoken with an attorney yet about this matter, and now that I’m back in Atlanta I don’t know if I will or not due to the time and distances involved. I don’t want his computer and the Toyota that he promised me for obvious reasons. What I am demanding is some justice. Eventually I’m sure I’ll get it. In the meantime, please print a copy of this letter and show it to the local sheriff, especially if it’s the same one who escorted Chuck Geshlider out of town in 2007. I’m sure he or she will be quite interested in learning of Mr. Geshlider’s behavior.

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